23.04.2009
The original 997 GT3 was about as good as drivers’ cars get. Or so we thought. Say hello to the faster, sharper, meaner Gen.2 GT3. Chris Harris and Dickie Meaden drive two GT3′s and talk to Andreas Preuninger about the finer details behind his new masterpiece.
Prepare to start salivating.
Read the FEATURE magazine and then let us know your thoughts.
Also make sure you’ve listened to our INTERVIEW with Andreas Preuninger that we recorded last month at Geneva.
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62 Comments
Kevin
April 23, 2009Excellent read boys. It is awesome the lengths Porsche went to make a great car even better.
Kevin
April 23, 2009Excellent read boys. It is awesome the lengths Porsche went to make a great car even better.
Kyle
April 23, 2009Misspelled car on page 47.
Other than that one of the greatest features I’ve seen in a while.
Please get something good up on DRTV soon about this.
Kyle
April 23, 2009Misspelled car on page 47.
Other than that one of the greatest features I’ve seen in a while.
Please get something good up on DRTV soon about this.
Stig
April 23, 2009That new GT3 looks great and sounds sensational!
It’s great to see Porsche maintain the GT3′s motorsport heritage with that awesome GT1-derived engine up to 3.8 litres and 435bhp!
[img]http://www.porsche.com/all/media/images/997-2nd/gt3/engine_diagram/motorschaubild_997.jpg[/img]
An impressive increase in downforce from the new aero package – it will be interesting to see how this relates to performance around the Nurburgring…
With the new Cup-style front splitter, expect the ride-height lift will prove a popular option and the dynamic engine mounts sound like a great innovation.
The larger steel brakes look like a decent spec for road and track use and it’s good to see the standard equipment now includes xenons. Maybe project manager Andreas Preuninger could also offer an option to delete the LEDs, given the 3kg weight penalty?
Many thanks to Chris Harris and Richard Meaden for a great DR feature on the new GT3!
Look forward to hearing more of that awesome 3.8 litre GT3 motor at 8500rpm…
Stig
April 23, 2009That new GT3 looks great and sounds sensational!
It’s great to see Porsche maintain the GT3′s motorsport heritage with that awesome GT1-derived engine up to 3.8 litres and 435bhp!
[img]http://www.porsche.com/all/media/images/997-2nd/gt3/engine_diagram/motorschaubild_997.jpg[/img]
An impressive increase in downforce from the new aero package – it will be interesting to see how this relates to performance around the Nurburgring…
With the new Cup-style front splitter, expect the ride-height lift will prove a popular option and the dynamic engine mounts sound like a great innovation.
The larger steel brakes look like a decent spec for road and track use and it’s good to see the standard equipment now includes xenons. Maybe project manager Andreas Preuninger could also offer an option to delete the LEDs, given the 3kg weight penalty?
Many thanks to Chris Harris and Richard Meaden for a great DR feature on the new GT3!
Look forward to hearing more of that awesome 3.8 litre GT3 motor at 8500rpm…
Brian
April 23, 2009So they supply a socket for the wheels…
Is a torque multiplier supplied as well?
Or will a 4ft bar be required????
Brian
April 23, 2009So they supply a socket for the wheels…
Is a torque multiplier supplied as well?
Or will a 4ft bar be required????
GCL
April 23, 2009Hi,
fantastic read giving a wonderful insight to the latest product to leave Porsche Germany !.
The trouble with articles like these, are that all petrolheads then want one.
Now the dilema, trade the turbo for one, or wait for the elusive gen 2 RS !!!.
All advice gladly accepted.
GCL
April 23, 2009Hi,
fantastic read giving a wonderful insight to the latest product to leave Porsche Germany !.
The trouble with articles like these, are that all petrolheads then want one.
Now the dilema, trade the turbo for one, or wait for the elusive gen 2 RS !!!.
All advice gladly accepted.
Marty
April 23, 2009Words cannot express how much I want one of these cars. I’m unlikely ever to drive one, but that doesn’t matter – I want one more than I think I’ve ever wanted a car.
Great article, highlighted even more than the Porsche microsite just how much work has gone into this Gen2 GT3.
Marty
April 23, 2009Words cannot express how much I want one of these cars. I’m unlikely ever to drive one, but that doesn’t matter – I want one more than I think I’ve ever wanted a car.
Great article, highlighted even more than the Porsche microsite just how much work has gone into this Gen2 GT3.
Tony Wardell
April 23, 2009So, better than the Gen 1 997 RS then? Certainly sounds like it!
Tony Wardell
April 23, 2009So, better than the Gen 1 997 RS then? Certainly sounds like it!
paulw
April 23, 2009Great review tks, I was impressed with the previous 997Gt3, but still found it a little detatched….This new car needs to lose at least 50kg…it still seems far more Gt than sportscar at 1400kg.
paulw
April 23, 2009Great review tks, I was impressed with the previous 997Gt3, but still found it a little detatched….This new car needs to lose at least 50kg…it still seems far more Gt than sportscar at 1400kg.
JAG
April 23, 2009There are 3 reviews that I have seen so far on the internet this morning, and only 1 feels that a driving review rather than an elongated press release.
Very well done!
Now back to the serious stuff, I need to spec mine by the middle of next month, questions:
1- PCCBs, still worth it?
2- Engine mounts, have you driven a car without it?
3- Any other options worth looking at (aside from the taste department of colours / materials / …)
JAG
JAG
April 23, 2009There are 3 reviews that I have seen so far on the internet this morning, and only 1 feels that a driving review rather than an elongated press release.
Very well done!
Now back to the serious stuff, I need to spec mine by the middle of next month, questions:
1- PCCBs, still worth it?
2- Engine mounts, have you driven a car without it?
3- Any other options worth looking at (aside from the taste department of colours / materials / …)
JAG
JackWood
April 23, 2009That is a stunning looking car. I do realy really want one……..
JackWood
April 23, 2009That is a stunning looking car. I do realy really want one……..
chris harris
April 23, 2009JAG
PCCB worth it for the ride comfort in the UK. Not worth it for very heavy track use
haven’t driven a car without the engine mounts, but the spread of comfort / agility with them fitted would make it a no-brainer for me.
In RHD markets you can now order a 90 litre tank: have it
Also have the PCM3 with iPod connector. I’d have a Clubbie for the cage and the buckets (the folding ones are just a bit too reclined for me)
chris harris
April 23, 2009JAG
PCCB worth it for the ride comfort in the UK. Not worth it for very heavy track use
haven’t driven a car without the engine mounts, but the spread of comfort / agility with them fitted would make it a no-brainer for me.
In RHD markets you can now order a 90 litre tank: have it
Also have the PCM3 with iPod connector. I’d have a Clubbie for the cage and the buckets (the folding ones are just a bit too reclined for me)
Mark
April 23, 2009If I had a 100k to spend on one car it would certainly be on a GT3. I was wondering if there was any mention from Porsche whether or not an RS version was due soon?
Mark
April 23, 2009If I had a 100k to spend on one car it would certainly be on a GT3. I was wondering if there was any mention from Porsche whether or not an RS version was due soon?
Martyn
April 23, 2009This has to be one of the best reviews of a new car I’ve seen in a long time. Almost feel like I got to have a test drive myself and I can’t remember reading any review and getting that feeling for a long time!
My questions are virtually identical to JAG’s!
Do you think PCCBs _really_ make a big difference for UK usage? I’m torn between them for that (and NO brake dust!) and sticking with normal brakes because of lingering worries of having to replace after track usage.
Interesting about the engine mounts – they did sound like they might provide the best of comfort for the road and performance on the track so its good to know you think they do actually work.
Do the folding seats make rear storage any easier with the cage in the back? If so then they might be worth it to keep the wife happy when we go away!
Martyn
April 23, 2009This has to be one of the best reviews of a new car I’ve seen in a long time. Almost feel like I got to have a test drive myself and I can’t remember reading any review and getting that feeling for a long time!
My questions are virtually identical to JAG’s!
Do you think PCCBs _really_ make a big difference for UK usage? I’m torn between them for that (and NO brake dust!) and sticking with normal brakes because of lingering worries of having to replace after track usage.
Interesting about the engine mounts – they did sound like they might provide the best of comfort for the road and performance on the track so its good to know you think they do actually work.
Do the folding seats make rear storage any easier with the cage in the back? If so then they might be worth it to keep the wife happy when we go away!
Alex
April 23, 2009Excellent stuff as usual guys. My only small criticism to the article would be that the Ring is located in West Germany, not North West.
But the noise that thing makes!!!!!! Ferrari eat our heart out!
Alex
April 23, 2009Excellent stuff as usual guys. My only small criticism to the article would be that the Ring is located in West Germany, not North West.
But the noise that thing makes!!!!!! Ferrari eat our heart out!
Stig
April 24, 2009The new GT3 sounds awesome…
997-GT3-mk2_sound-clip-1
997-GT3-mk2_sound-clip-2
997-GT3-mk2_sound-clip-3
Stig
April 24, 2009The new GT3 sounds awesome…
997-GT3-mk2_sound-clip-1
997-GT3-mk2_sound-clip-2
997-GT3-mk2_sound-clip-3
Richard - DR
April 24, 2009I’d mirror Chris’s views on spec – Clubsport, engine mounts, 90-litre tank etc – although my reasons for going for the PCCB brakes would be weight saving rather than ride comfort: Andreas Preuninger has put so much effort into shaving weight from the car I’d feel like I’d betrayed him if I went for anything but PCCB! In fact I think I’d have to remove the LED rear lights and fit Gen1 items instead, as they are a couple of kilos a piece lighter…
The pneumatic suspension lift system is also very good, almost instant up and down, but it does weigh a couple of kilos extra.
Richard - DR
April 24, 2009I’d mirror Chris’s views on spec – Clubsport, engine mounts, 90-litre tank etc – although my reasons for going for the PCCB brakes would be weight saving rather than ride comfort: Andreas Preuninger has put so much effort into shaving weight from the car I’d feel like I’d betrayed him if I went for anything but PCCB! In fact I think I’d have to remove the LED rear lights and fit Gen1 items instead, as they are a couple of kilos a piece lighter…
The pneumatic suspension lift system is also very good, almost instant up and down, but it does weigh a couple of kilos extra.
daytonafan
April 24, 2009The GT3 series have been the only water cooled 911′s that have really floated my boat, and this one is no exception.
daytonafan
April 24, 2009The GT3 series have been the only water cooled 911′s that have really floated my boat, and this one is no exception.
Stig
April 25, 2009So the most difficult question on the GT3 mk2 spec… which colour would you go for?
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/tu95rbdony7e2eochk2jbxcv.jpg[/img]
GT3 colour chart…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/nw5uuw9enmc5kx8zqd2ou2bq.jpg[/img]
Guards Red…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/deby0hxohc65udim0mpi0ber.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/p9xfwy737s3zsmo95h7i0dlu.jpg[/img]
Arctic Silver…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/3706cabyyrx28bg7mc3yu7yv.jpg[/img]
Speed Yellow…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/u1ilz8iffyzzbp788u8sgc1l.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/duvtt7ocaegz5jrm9z4yykqr.jpg[/img]
Aqua Blue…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/kcc3yaoi2orilzg54c0o1679.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/cj6e5wpvuo53i1wotnmdzzwu.jpg[/img]
…or maybe Riviera Blue…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/56m2amzzwnk1nlw0pg0zz2wm.jpg[/img]
Stig
April 25, 2009So the most difficult question on the GT3 mk2 spec… which colour would you go for?
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/tu95rbdony7e2eochk2jbxcv.jpg[/img]
GT3 colour chart…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/nw5uuw9enmc5kx8zqd2ou2bq.jpg[/img]
Guards Red…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/deby0hxohc65udim0mpi0ber.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/p9xfwy737s3zsmo95h7i0dlu.jpg[/img]
Arctic Silver…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/3706cabyyrx28bg7mc3yu7yv.jpg[/img]
Speed Yellow…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/u1ilz8iffyzzbp788u8sgc1l.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/duvtt7ocaegz5jrm9z4yykqr.jpg[/img]
Aqua Blue…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/kcc3yaoi2orilzg54c0o1679.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/cj6e5wpvuo53i1wotnmdzzwu.jpg[/img]
…or maybe Riviera Blue…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/56m2amzzwnk1nlw0pg0zz2wm.jpg[/img]
Tony Wardell
April 25, 2009Any news on the RS version?
Tony Wardell
April 25, 2009Any news on the RS version?
Stig
April 25, 2009So the most difficult question on the GT3 mk2 spec… which colour would you go for?
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/tu95rbdony7e2eochk2jbxcv.jpg[/img]
Stig
April 25, 2009So the most difficult question on the GT3 mk2 spec… which colour would you go for?
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/tu95rbdony7e2eochk2jbxcv.jpg[/img]
Stig
April 25, 2009The official GT3 colour chart…
Stig
April 25, 2009The official GT3 colour chart…
Stig
April 25, 2009Guards Red selected for the Geneva launch and press cars…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/deby0hxohc65udim0mpi0ber.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/p9xfwy737s3zsmo95h7i0dlu.jpg[/img]
Stig
April 25, 2009Guards Red selected for the Geneva launch and press cars…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/deby0hxohc65udim0mpi0ber.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/p9xfwy737s3zsmo95h7i0dlu.jpg[/img]
Stig
April 25, 2009…how about Speed Yellow?
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/u1ilz8iffyzzbp788u8sgc1l.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/duvtt7ocaegz5jrm9z4yykqr.jpg[/img]
Stig
April 25, 2009…how about Speed Yellow?
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/u1ilz8iffyzzbp788u8sgc1l.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/duvtt7ocaegz5jrm9z4yykqr.jpg[/img]
Stig
April 25, 2009Arctic Silver can also lap the ‘ring in 7:40…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/3706cabyyrx28bg7mc3yu7yv.jpg[/img]
Stig
April 25, 2009Arctic Silver can also lap the ‘ring in 7:40…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/3706cabyyrx28bg7mc3yu7yv.jpg[/img]
Stig
April 25, 2009Aqua Blue looking good on the new GT3…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/kcc3yaoi2orilzg54c0o1679.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/cj6e5wpvuo53i1wotnmdzzwu.jpg[/img]
Stig
April 25, 2009Aqua Blue looking good on the new GT3…
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/kcc3yaoi2orilzg54c0o1679.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/cj6e5wpvuo53i1wotnmdzzwu.jpg[/img]
Stig
April 25, 2009…or maybe Riviera Blue!
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/56m2amzzwnk1nlw0pg0zz2wm.jpg[/img]
Stig
April 25, 2009…or maybe Riviera Blue!
[img]http://www.drivers-republic.com/community_resource/56m2amzzwnk1nlw0pg0zz2wm.jpg[/img]
jeremy
April 25, 2009Chris,
You had said the most desirable car you ever drove was your kermit green
tuttle seventies to millennium spec 911.
How does this RS drive compared with your favorite 911 of all time, the one you sold awhile ago? thank you, JL
jeremy
April 25, 2009Chris,
You had said the most desirable car you ever drove was your kermit green
tuttle seventies to millennium spec 911.
How does this RS drive compared with your favorite 911 of all time, the one you sold awhile ago? thank you, JL
Marty
April 26, 2009@Stig: Aqua Blue for sure. That looks absolutely gorgeous in the sun.
Marty
April 26, 2009@Stig: Aqua Blue for sure. That looks absolutely gorgeous in the sun.
jeremy
April 29, 2009chris,
thoughts on how this GT3 compares with your recent retro-911?
thank you, JL
jeremy
April 29, 2009chris,
thoughts on how this GT3 compares with your recent retro-911?
thank you, JL
chris harris
April 30, 2009Apples and pears in many ways, surprisingly similar in others. This is non-definitive, having not driven them over the same pieces of road.
Main differences are in spread of ability. Only when you try and make a supposedly ‘all-round’ performance car yourself do you really understand what an achievement something like a GT3 actually is. It does so much so well. The green car’s main advantages are: size, mass and immediacy. Compared to a modern car, the GT3 controls seem completely alive with conversation, next to the green car they’re virtually mute. 3.4 litres on carbs, 320bhp in a one tonne, short and narrow body makes for an experience that the 1400kg GT3 could never match. On a British B road/ smaller A road, a new GT3 wouldn’t see where it had gone. It also had much more wheel travel and much more compliant suspension/tyre side walls: so it had more ride comfort but it would also carry speed over rough surfaces where the GT3 would just become airborne.
BUT, the green car has only 50 percent of the GT3′s everyday ability, at best. It always feels like it is: a cleverly optimised rally car with a hand stitched interior and as much sound deadening as we could allow for the target sub 1000kg weight. Of course, that’s a big part of its appeal too. On slightly larger roads, where it can use that long gearing, The GT3 would probably lose the green car fairly quickly (I’m hesitant on account of the way, in the hands of Richard Tuthill, it left my E92 M3 behind in an oversteering mess through wales last year)
I keep coming back to the GT3′s price -I simply don’t know how they manage to sell the car for that money given the volumes. There are probably only a dozen people who would prefer the green car to the GT3, the rest would want the new car. The irony is that from the dozen, most of them would probably have a GT3 as well.
I have neither, which, in consultant-speak, is a sub-optimal situation.
chris harris
April 30, 2009Apples and pears in many ways, surprisingly similar in others. This is non-definitive, having not driven them over the same pieces of road.
Main differences are in spread of ability. Only when you try and make a supposedly ‘all-round’ performance car yourself do you really understand what an achievement something like a GT3 actually is. It does so much so well. The green car’s main advantages are: size, mass and immediacy. Compared to a modern car, the GT3 controls seem completely alive with conversation, next to the green car they’re virtually mute. 3.4 litres on carbs, 320bhp in a one tonne, short and narrow body makes for an experience that the 1400kg GT3 could never match. On a British B road/ smaller A road, a new GT3 wouldn’t see where it had gone. It also had much more wheel travel and much more compliant suspension/tyre side walls: so it had more ride comfort but it would also carry speed over rough surfaces where the GT3 would just become airborne.
BUT, the green car has only 50 percent of the GT3′s everyday ability, at best. It always feels like it is: a cleverly optimised rally car with a hand stitched interior and as much sound deadening as we could allow for the target sub 1000kg weight. Of course, that’s a big part of its appeal too. On slightly larger roads, where it can use that long gearing, The GT3 would probably lose the green car fairly quickly (I’m hesitant on account of the way, in the hands of Richard Tuthill, it left my E92 M3 behind in an oversteering mess through wales last year)
I keep coming back to the GT3′s price -I simply don’t know how they manage to sell the car for that money given the volumes. There are probably only a dozen people who would prefer the green car to the GT3, the rest would want the new car. The irony is that from the dozen, most of them would probably have a GT3 as well.
I have neither, which, in consultant-speak, is a sub-optimal situation.
jeremy
May 4, 2009Chris,
“The green car’s main advantages are: size, mass and immediacy.
Compared to a modern car, the GT3 controls seem completely alive with conversation, next to the green car they’re virtually mute.”
AND
“On a British B road/ smaller A road, a new GT3 wouldn’t see where it had gone. It also had much more wheel travel and much more compliant suspension/tyre side walls: so it had more ride comfort but it would also carry speed over rough surfaces where the GT3 would just become airborne.”
My g%d!! Boy thats quite the statement you have made there!!!! From the standpoint of an everyday driver wanting fun and capability (not so much practicality and luxury)
its looks like Porsche should hire Mr. Tuttle not to mention some of their rally engineers from the 70′s!
Kermit really sounds the better drive, and its really sad what it says about where the sports car industry has gone and continues to go. Indeed we don’t need sports cars with GT-3 or bigger size, weight, the gargantuan wheels and tires, and nor maybe even all that fancy suspension! It really seems that simpler (if better built) really is better! And it really seems that smaller wheels and tires really are the way back to the future! Can I get an Amen! I know this is taboo to say- indeed since when have I ever been shy, ha. (except when not wanting to drag out disagreements with MDSteve!) but it would be something if Mr. Tuttle drove one of his creations to Porsche for a little back-road driving with the Porsche boys in one of their GT-3′s. I think it would be rather sobering for them.
Your talk makes me wish a few things. One that I could have kermit or one of his brothers; that YOU should have kept the darn thing- especially as compared to your 612!, for the purpose of literally benchmarking other so called newly designed sports cars!…and mostly the wish that your message (however quietly stated and placed) GOT out to the manufacturers, that not only do we all as a SOCIETY need to get back to the basics (to the purity of form following function/honesty first and foremost in all endeavors) but so too do manufacturers of all manner of goods need to get back to basics and great craftsmanship, for the betterment of many nations economic base.
Talking out like you did about a product like Kermit, is to me what journalism is all about. I wish more people appreciated what your old car could do, or if not could be shown.
I really don’t look forward to most of today’s cars, but rather to makers long-term product plans…like Ferrari have pledged to make a Ferrari far lighter, and smaller and better and more fun. I hope Chris, you and the DR team can have some effect upon such makers to make such a day happen sooner. thanks for the pure thoughts, JL
“This is non-definitive, having not driven them over the same pieces of road.”
jeremy
May 4, 2009Chris,
“The green car’s main advantages are: size, mass and immediacy.
Compared to a modern car, the GT3 controls seem completely alive with conversation, next to the green car they’re virtually mute.”
AND
“On a British B road/ smaller A road, a new GT3 wouldn’t see where it had gone. It also had much more wheel travel and much more compliant suspension/tyre side walls: so it had more ride comfort but it would also carry speed over rough surfaces where the GT3 would just become airborne.”
My g%d!! Boy thats quite the statement you have made there!!!! From the standpoint of an everyday driver wanting fun and capability (not so much practicality and luxury)
its looks like Porsche should hire Mr. Tuttle not to mention some of their rally engineers from the 70′s!
Kermit really sounds the better drive, and its really sad what it says about where the sports car industry has gone and continues to go. Indeed we don’t need sports cars with GT-3 or bigger size, weight, the gargantuan wheels and tires, and nor maybe even all that fancy suspension! It really seems that simpler (if better built) really is better! And it really seems that smaller wheels and tires really are the way back to the future! Can I get an Amen! I know this is taboo to say- indeed since when have I ever been shy, ha. (except when not wanting to drag out disagreements with MDSteve!) but it would be something if Mr. Tuttle drove one of his creations to Porsche for a little back-road driving with the Porsche boys in one of their GT-3′s. I think it would be rather sobering for them.
Your talk makes me wish a few things. One that I could have kermit or one of his brothers; that YOU should have kept the darn thing- especially as compared to your 612!, for the purpose of literally benchmarking other so called newly designed sports cars!…and mostly the wish that your message (however quietly stated and placed) GOT out to the manufacturers, that not only do we all as a SOCIETY need to get back to the basics (to the purity of form following function/honesty first and foremost in all endeavors) but so too do manufacturers of all manner of goods need to get back to basics and great craftsmanship, for the betterment of many nations economic base.
Talking out like you did about a product like Kermit, is to me what journalism is all about. I wish more people appreciated what your old car could do, or if not could be shown.
I really don’t look forward to most of today’s cars, but rather to makers long-term product plans…like Ferrari have pledged to make a Ferrari far lighter, and smaller and better and more fun. I hope Chris, you and the DR team can have some effect upon such makers to make such a day happen sooner. thanks for the pure thoughts, JL
“This is non-definitive, having not driven them over the same pieces of road.”